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Lloyd Elliott head pics
« Thread Started on Apr 30, 2005, 5:56pm »

Here are a few pics of my LT1 heads that were ported by Lloyd Elliott.

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« Reply #1 on Apr 30, 2005, 7:26pm »

They sure look perrrdy

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« Reply #2 on May 1, 2005, 6:09pm »

Those look great,it looks like he did alot of chamber work. was that just vavle unshrouding or were they opened up for your boosted appl. I also see recessed keepers,was that for installed height adj.? Also can u tell me what spring and part # you went with?

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« Reply #3 on May 7, 2005, 6:44pm »

heads look great, he did mine too.mine flowed about the same also. good luck.

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« Reply #4 on May 8, 2005, 11:40am »

they look awsome

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Re: Lloyd Elliott head pics
« Reply #5 on May 11, 2005, 6:36am »

I've been talkin to him about doing my lt4 castings

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Re: Lloyd Elliott head pics
« Reply #6 on Jun 2, 2005, 12:24am »

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Those look great,it looks like he did alot of chamber work. was that just vavle unshrouding or were they opened up for your boosted appl. I also see recessed keepers,was that for installed height adj.? Also can u tell me what spring and part # you went with?

LT1PWRD, sorry for the late response. I didn't notice your questions.

From what I gathered when I picked up the heads from Lloyd, it's typical for him to open up the chambers slightly to unshroud the valves, and to get better swirl in the chamber due to the different shape. It coincidentally happens to be in my favor that he has to take 4 to 5 cc's of aluminum out (effectively increasing chamber volume) to do it. The port work and valve job is a little different to compliment a forced induction set up.

The locks (keepers) are Comp 611's. The springs are Comp 977's.

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Re: Lloyd Elliott head pics
« Reply #7 on Jun 3, 2005, 8:49am »

Straight from Lloyds mouth...........well......... keyboard

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"The chambers being kicked open will help CFM everywhere but you have to determine if the CC's removed are worth the compression loss for each customer. You can obviously mill the heads more or even angle mill to get the compression back but this will cost more and then you need to spend more $$$ making the intake fit. It all comes down to what the customer wants to spend.

Since this was a boosted set up, the bigger chamber worked out well for lower compressions and more flow.

A BIG bowl area, WIDE port over the short side, properly shaped short side and the right valve job will keep the #'s climbing at high lift. These heads had a lil different valve job for the boost and the port is actually shaped so it flows better when blown through. Even though the #'s are similar to my usual heads, a "blow through" test would show them to be better than my "usual" heads."

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Re: Lloyd Elliott head pics
« Reply #8 on Aug 23, 2005, 8:05pm »

Those look Awesome Ray! I can't wait til my AFR 210s come in! I plan on sending them along with my LT4 intake to Lloyd for porting!

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Re: Lloyd Elliott head pics
« Reply #9 on Aug 26, 2005, 4:31pm »

I realize this is an older post, but nevertheless: Looks good, Ray~

I received my heads back from Lloyd a little while ago. I guess we both pretty much recieved the same port work. The pictures really don't even do it justice -- compared to seeing the work first-hand. Lloyd does an excellent job.

I'll be using Comp 954 springs, which I believe have a 1.535" O.D. The first thing I noticed is that I'll have to remove the center two springs in order to install the cylinder head -- there's no way to reach the d@mn bolt. I believe your 977's have a 1.460" outer diameter -- it looks like you might have the same problem as well...

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« Reply #10 on Aug 26, 2005, 10:27pm »

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I realize this is an older post, but nevertheless: Looks good, Ray~

I received my heads back from Lloyd a little while ago. I guess we both pretty much recieved the same port work. The pictures really don't even do it justice -- compared to seeing the work first-hand. Lloyd does an excellent job.

I'll be using Comp 954 springs, which I believe have a 1.535" O.D. The first thing I noticed is that I'll have to remove the center two springs in order to install the cylinder head -- there's no way to reach the d@mn bolt. I believe your 977's have a 1.460" outer diameter -- it looks like you might have the same problem as well...

Did you order the LE3 package? That stinks that you have to remove twos springs to install the head. At least you have your completed heads. It'll be probably 2 months before my BARE CASTINGS even arrive at my front door step :'(

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Re: Lloyd Elliott head pics
« Reply #11 on Aug 27, 2005, 3:44am »

This was technically an LE2 package, just with a slightly different port job intended for forced induction, along with a massive solid-roller camshaft. Bret Bauer (StrokerAce) does the cams for Lloyd.

There's a two month lead-time to recieve the AFR's? Wow. Well, I sorta feel your pain. My car has been torn down since March I believe? I think Raymond has been setting up parts for his new beast for longer than that.

This car stuff was much easier when we were just installing air filters and whatnot. We need to stop modifying stuff, and just be satisfied with what we've got... maybe...

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Re: Lloyd Elliott head pics
« Reply #12 on Aug 27, 2005, 5:27am »

would it be cheaper for me to send in my stock lt1 heads to le,or just buy the le2 pkg i was planning on and keep the downtime on my car to a minimum

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« Reply #13 on Aug 27, 2005, 6:02am »

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would it be cheaper for me to send in my stock lt1 heads to le,or just buy the le2 pkg i was planning on and keep the downtime on my car to a minimum

JDawg -- is someone selling an LE2 package?

If I'm understanding you correctly, then you might have misunderstood how the deal takes place. I don't believe Lloyd carries a bunch of spare heads or has packages ready to ship out. The prices on his website reflect what he charges to port/machine/assemble the heads you send in.

You'll be getting a new camshaft + valves & valvesprings with any of the 'package' deals, in which he fully assembles the cylinder heads, but he still needs your cylinder head cores. [The cheaper prices listed on his website for 'heads only' simply means that he does the standard portwork/machining/assembly on your heads, but you don't get the camshaft. Again, he still needs your cylinder head cores for this.]

If you cant have any downtime, then perhaps you can buy a second set of used/stock LT1 heads to send in to him? Then when you get those back, you can sell your stock/unported heads to make up the difference. Keep in mind that it will take Lloyd at least a month to get the heads finished. Perhaps closer to two months if he is still swamped with work...

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« Reply #14 on Aug 27, 2005, 5:46pm »

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This was technically an LE2 package, just with a slightly different port job intended for forced induction, along with a massive solid-roller camshaft. Bret Bauer (StrokerAce) does the cams for Lloyd.

There's a two month lead-time to recieve the AFR's? Wow. Well, I sorta feel your pain. My car has been torn down since March I believe? I think Raymond has been setting up parts for his new beast for longer than that.

This car stuff was much easier when we were just installing air filters and whatnot. We need to stop modifying stuff, and just be satisfied with what we've got... maybe...

That's what makes modding our cars so fun!. Quick question, how much of a pain was it to remove the springs and reinstall them with them in the car? I have a feeling I may run into that same problem down the road.

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« Reply #15 on Aug 28, 2005, 12:27am »

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Quick question, how much of a pain was it to remove the springs and reinstall them with them in the car? I have a feeling I may run into that same problem down the road.

Well, it really depends on what type of spring you're working with. As far as I know, you're stuck with using a screw-type spring compressor on f-bodies, due to the overhang of the cowl. This is the type of compressor I used: http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00063UQF0.01-A196T4CKS9QKXT._SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg

Removing weak factory springs using a screw-type spring compressor is easy. It just takes some time -- working on each cylinder with the piston at top dead center. You have to work one cylinder at a time, removing the two old springs and installing the two new ones, before moving onto the next cylinder in the firing order. The valves will rest on the pistons when you remove the spring.

Installing heavier springs, especially dual-valveprings (with a second inner spring), is a royal pain. Standard screw-type compressors wont grab the second inner spring, so I had to modify my compressor to do so. Also, stronger springs take more force to compress. After you've wrestled around with compressing 16 springs, your hands will hurt. Use gloves.

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« Reply #16 on Aug 29, 2005, 3:57pm »

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would it be cheaper for me to send in my stock lt1 heads to le,or just buy the le2 pkg i was planning on and keep the downtime on my car to a minimum

JDawg -- is someone selling an LE2 package?

If I'm understanding you correctly, then you might have misunderstood how the deal takes place. I don't believe Lloyd carries a bunch of spare heads or has packages ready to ship out. The prices on his website reflect what he charges to port/machine/assemble the heads you send in.

You'll be getting a new camshaft + valves & valvesprings with any of the 'package' deals, in which he fully assembles the cylinder heads, but he still needs your cylinder head cores. [The cheaper prices listed on his website for 'heads only' simply means that he does the standard portwork/machining/assembly on your heads, but you don't get the camshaft. Again, he still needs your cylinder head cores for this.]

If you cant have any downtime, then perhaps you can buy a second set of used/stock LT1 heads to send in to him? Then when you get those back, you can sell your stock/unported heads to make up the difference. Keep in mind that it will take Lloyd at least a month to get the heads finished. Perhaps closer to two months if he is still swamped with work...

my bad,i thought it was you bought the le2 package then had to figure out what to do with your stock heads or pay a core charge or something :-/

,well that pissed in my cornflakes

,2 months without my car :'(

oh well small price to pay to smoke mustangs

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Re: Lloyd Elliott head pics
« Reply #17 on Aug 30, 2005, 9:13am »

Also a small price to pay for putting that look of disbelief on some ignorant ricers face

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can i get an "amen" 8-)

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« Reply #19 on Aug 31, 2005, 1:30am »

I went 11.8s N/A with a set of his heads and have a new set of custom LE-X heads going on a motor REAL soon

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