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Post by jdawgs94z on Aug 31, 2005 14:24:58 GMT -5
taking suggestions for building my engine up,i am cheap and broke so be gentle,i would like around 425rwhp out of it,basicly asking for how would you accomplish this,no NOZ,superchargers,turbo's,just a daily driver with a stock 10 bolt and the mods to accomplish my goal ;)look at it as if you were building it for your car and had a budget of 3k,the car is totally stock  |
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Post by 94m6hardtopz on Aug 31, 2005 18:51:16 GMT -5
i got a spare virgin bore block for $150. i got my extra set of stock heads for $220. i can get a cast crank, 5140 i beam rod, srp piston rotating assembly for less then $1K. i figure ill have between $4-5K in my longblock when its all said and done making about 440rwhp. itll probably displace 381ci.
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Post by jaberwaki on Aug 31, 2005 20:14:42 GMT -5
Joe Overton H/C
full boltons(including stepped headers)
joe had a few of his customers putting 450 to the wheels on the stock bottom end...
but the H/C will cost ya...
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Post by metalbeast on Aug 31, 2005 20:19:00 GMT -5
Contact Lloyd Elliot at Eportworks. His LE3 H/C setup is more than capable of producing 400+ RWHP (along with proper boltons, tuning, etc.) Here is his site www.eportworks.com |
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Post by strokedlt1 on Aug 31, 2005 21:30:31 GMT -5
H/C is where its at as well as other surporting mods gonna take more then 3K if your going the N/A route
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Post by '68SuperchargedLT1Camaro on Aug 31, 2005 22:00:40 GMT -5
Hey Jdawg, I'm sorry, but you won't get 425 at the wheels for $3,000 without nitrous.
For a Lloyd Elliott head and cam package (LE2), with all of the supporting parts, it will put you close to $5,000.
$1650 LE2 package ($1,850 for the LE3 package)
$200 Cold Air Intake
$320 Dual 58mm TB
$650 full lenth ceramic coated headers
$200(ballpark) two performance mufflers
$400(ballpark) extra materials and labor for exhaust work
$400 36 pound per hour injectors
$250(ballpark) upgraded fuel pump
$350(ballpark) gaskets, head bolts or studs, coolant, etc.
$650(ballpark) dyno tune
Of course, alot of these prices are ballpark. You could save some money here and there from shoping around, and buying used parts.
This might not even get you your 425 RWHP unless you go with the LE3 package. The LE2 package is deffinately the best bang for the buck, but it should put you just over 400 at the wheels.
If you do have $3,000 to spend, do the LE2 package, and then slowly add the bolt on's as money allows.
Raymond
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Post by metalbeast on Sept 1, 2005 13:22:43 GMT -5
Sorry, I did not see that you were totally stock. Yes, this will make your task a bit more difficult. Also what type of tranny are you running? If its an A4, your going to get more parasitic losses to the tranny making your goal even harder to achieve. If you plan on drag racing, I would set up ET/MPH goals rather than chasing dyno numbers ;D
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Post by jaberwaki on Sept 1, 2005 13:41:02 GMT -5
$400 36 pound per hour injectors if anyone on this board is paying this much for injectors please pm me about it first... i can get most sizes(up to 42 lbs) for 300 bucks or less. disk style racetronix brand...(what i run in mine) just thought i would help you guys save a few bux  |
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Post by metalbeast on Sept 1, 2005 14:22:50 GMT -5
$400 36 pound per hour injectors if anyone on this board is paying this much for injectors please pm me about it first... i can get most sizes(up to 42 lbs) for 300 bucks or less. disk style racetronix brand...(what i run in mine) just thought i would help you guys save a few bux Thats Awesome! I will be talking to you as my project goes along and probably order some 36 lb/hr ;D |
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Post by jdawgs94z on Sept 1, 2005 15:09:01 GMT -5
here is my plan,le2 pkg $1650+,magnaflow cat back with throttle body airfoil and k&n cai from thunder racing $499 shipped,pacesetter longtubes non coated $265(have someone who now does ceramic coating for cost)$85,all i need is a stall 2800 =$250(tranny is already been upgraded by the master big john for $180 :oie alto 9 band,transgo,wide band etc ;D,36lb injectors $250, this is what i'm working on now,so if i'm leaving out something let me know but still under 3k so far,the 3k was a starting point,i want to keep my 10bolt and still have hp,the tranny was built to hold a 396 stroker and the torque it was going to put out,i can still build the 396 stroker,i have access to a block for cheap,being in a large car club helps alot ;)oh and i can have my stock throttlebody ported up to 58mm for $100
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Post by '68SuperchargedLT1Camaro on Sept 1, 2005 16:59:36 GMT -5
here is my plan,le2 pkg $1650+,magnaflow cat back with throttle body airfoil and k&n cai from thunder racing $499 shipped,pacesetter longtubes non coated $265(have someone who now does ceramic coating for cost)$85,all i need is a stall 2800 =$250(tranny is already been upgraded by the master big john for $180 :oie alto 9 band,transgo,wide band etc ;D,36lb injectors $250, this is what i'm working on now,so if i'm leaving out something let me know but still under 3k so far,the 3k was a starting point,i want to keep my 10bolt and still have hp,the tranny was built to hold a 396 stroker and the torque it was going to put out,i can still build the 396 stroker,i have access to a block for cheap,being in a large car club helps alot ;)oh and i can have my stock throttlebody ported up to 58mm for $100 Will that MagnaFlow cat back setup bolt right up to the Pacesetter long tube headers? Will there be any labor costs for exhaust work? Who are you going to have tune it? How much? I'm assuming you'll do the work yourself Jdawg. Did you factor in the money for gaskets, coolant, an oil change, RTV, etc? The buildup sounds great so far. You just have to keep track of the nickel and dime stuff. It adds up quick. Raymond |
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Post by '68SuperchargedLT1Camaro on Sept 1, 2005 17:01:39 GMT -5
$400 36 pound per hour injectors if anyone on this board is paying this much for injectors please pm me about it first... i can get most sizes(up to 42 lbs) for 300 bucks or less. disk style racetronix brand...(what i run in mine) just thought i would help you guys save a few bux Hey Jaberwaki, where can you get injectors that cheap? Raymond |
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Post by jdawgs94z on Sept 1, 2005 18:35:05 GMT -5
here is my plan,le2 pkg $1650+,magnaflow cat back with throttle body airfoil and k&n cai from thunder racing $499 shipped,pacesetter longtubes non coated $265(have someone who now does ceramic coating for cost)$85,all i need is a stall 2800 =$250(tranny is already been upgraded by the master big john for $180 :oie alto 9 band,transgo,wide band etc ;D,36lb injectors $250, this is what i'm working on now,so if i'm leaving out something let me know but still under 3k so far,the 3k was a starting point,i want to keep my 10bolt and still have hp,the tranny was built to hold a 396 stroker and the torque it was going to put out,i can still build the 396 stroker,i have access to a block for cheap,being in a large car club helps alot ;)oh and i can have my stock throttlebody ported up to 58mm for $100 Will that MagnaFlow cat back setup bolt right up to the Pacesetter long tube headers? Will there be any labor costs for exhaust work? Who are you going to have tune it? How much? I'm assuming you'll do the work yourself Jdawg. Did you factor in the money for gaskets, coolant, an oil change, RTV, etc? The buildup sounds great so far. You just have to keep track of the nickel and dime stuff. It adds up quick. Raymond yeah the pacesetters come with a y pipe,i will do all the welding myself,i will do the exhaust myself,untill i have it dyno tuned i am going to have will(sapd decoy) tune it,the oil change is $32 at walmart for mobil 1 synthetic,oh yeah will tunes it for free  ,a little beer and BBQ goes a long way on getting help with these projects thats why i know i can count on you ray eh i mean great OZ to helpj/k,i havent even started yet,what i really was trying to accomplish was finding the best route to go for the least money |
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Post by jaberwaki on Sept 1, 2005 19:22:28 GMT -5
if anyone on this board is paying this much for injectors please pm me about it first... i can get most sizes(up to 42 lbs) for 300 bucks or less. disk style racetronix brand...(what i run in mine) just thought i would help you guys save a few bux Hey Jaberwaki, where can you get injectors that cheap? Raymond i got a bud that is a dealer for racetronics... he hooks me and all my local friends up for 25 bucks over his cost.. |
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Post by '68SuperchargedLT1Camaro on Sept 1, 2005 19:44:45 GMT -5
i havent even started yet,what i really was trying to accomplish was finding the best route to go for the least money Nothing wrong with that. An LE2 package is deffinately were it's at then. Raymond |
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Post by metalbeast on Sept 1, 2005 20:43:42 GMT -5
Even with all of those boltons, I don't think you are going to see 425 RWHP with an LE2 H/C setup thru an A4 with a 2800 stall. I would expect more around 380-400 RWHP at most.
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Post by jdawgs94z on Sept 2, 2005 10:56:00 GMT -5
the tranny's my friend john is building for several of the members are holding up toe to toe with their manual counterparts,he has built some for applications up to 1k hp,i lose maybe a hundreth of a second against a m6 with my tranny |
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Post by 94m6hardtopz on Sept 2, 2005 12:54:29 GMT -5
i like the disc style injectors, they atomize fuel better so you can run a smaller injector or less pulse width and make the same power and a/f ratio.
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Post by jaberwaki on Sept 2, 2005 18:31:05 GMT -5
i like the disc style injectors, they atomize fuel better so you can run a smaller injector or less pulse width and make the same power and a/f ratio. exactly i tell you what after we dialed in the idle with these injectors, you couldn't even tell the car had a cam in it... |
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Post by metalbeast on Sept 2, 2005 21:28:04 GMT -5
the tranny's my friend john is building for several of the members are holding up toe to toe with their manual counterparts,he has built some for applications up to 1k hp,i lose maybe a hundreth of a second against a m6 with my tranny No matter how well the tranny is built up, an automatic will have 5-10% more parasite loss than a manual on average. So what I am saying is you will have a hard time reaching your 425 RWHP goal with that setup. But like I said earlier, don't chase dyno numbers |
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Post by jdawgs94z on Sept 3, 2005 9:36:58 GMT -5
yeah metalbeast,i'm trying to have a car i can drive everyday and still have fun at the track,and smoke a occasional mustang/ricer while i'm on the street ;D
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Post by 94m6hardtopz on Sept 3, 2005 12:32:57 GMT -5
i like the disc style injectors, they atomize fuel better so you can run a smaller injector or less pulse width and make the same power and a/f ratio. exactly i tell you what after we dialed in the idle with these injectors, you couldn't even tell the car had a cam in it... yeah, they pulse down nice. my friends and i have used them in a lot of the mustangs we've built for ourselves and customers as well. when you get above about a 30lb injector youve gotta go disc style to make it idle worth a $hit. high flow pintle nozzle injectors just cant pulse down like a disc. |
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Post by jaberwaki on Sept 3, 2005 17:54:16 GMT -5
the tranny's my friend john is building for several of the members are holding up toe to toe with their manual counterparts,he has built some for applications up to 1k hp,i lose maybe a hundreth of a second against a m6 with my tranny uh.... stalled auto's will run FASTER at the track... you will lose dyno hp (who cares) but you will run3-5 tenths QUICKER |
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Post by biglope on Feb 1, 2006 19:59:12 GMT -5
2800 is to small for a Auto though, Go for at least a 3500. It does not make that much of a differnce on the street. I had a 4000 in mine and drove it everyday.
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Post by biglope on Feb 1, 2006 20:01:40 GMT -5
And I would also suggest building your suspension before you put down the power. You would be surprised how much your times will drop by doing just suspension and no engine mods
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,a little beer and BBQ goes a long way on getting help with these projects thats why i know i can count on you ray eh i mean great OZ to helpj/k,i havent even started yet,what i really was trying to accomplish was finding the best route to go for the least money